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|Q|| ||About my american ford mercury cougar XR7. The rear indicator lights are combined with the stop lights and as such flash red. When I press the brake and indicate at the same time the lights flash intermediate. That was their build, but is that a PASS or FAIL in the UK|
Name: Black Bob Town: Edinburgh
Your vehicle will Fail an entry from a previous question answered by the DVSA No They do not American imports often have dual function lamps, where the indicators may be incorporated with the position lamps or stop lamps. This aspect of the test is covered in Inspection Manual IM, under Section 1.4 Direction Indicators and Hazard Warning Lamps and 1.2 Stop Lamps. brbrSection 1.4 states that Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may have direction indicators incorporated with stop lamps, or combined with front or rear position lamps, in which case front indicators may be white and rear indicators red. Due to the age of the vehicle in question, it will fail the test unless the rear indicators are converted to amber. The legislative basis for this requirement is contained in the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 amended.This is not the first time that our attention has been directed to red rear indicators on post1965 American vehicles with a clear MOT test history. As we dont know what condition this vehicle was presented in previously, theres no telling whether a tester has missed anything but two wrongs dont make a right the presenter has been lucky in previous years but will have to accept that these will fail the MOT test in future.American vehicles with red rear indicators, while not a common sight on British roads, are widespread enough that any tester not familiar with the requirements for direction indicators should be advised there is no exemption for any vehicle to have red rear indicators if it was first used on or after 1 September 1965.
|Q|| ||Do test stations have the discretion to pass historic American vehicles|
Name: Pete Town: Southport
No - They do not American imports often have dual function lamps, where the indicators may be incorporated with the position lamps or stop lamps. This aspect of the test is covered in Inspection Manual IM, under Section 1.4 Direction Indicators and Hazard Warning Lamps and 1.2 Stop Lamps.
Section 1.4 states that Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may have direction indicators incorporated with stop lamps, or combined with front or rear position lamps, in which case front indicators may be white and rear indicators red.
Due to the age of the vehicle in question, it will fail the test unless the rear indicators are converted to amber. The legislative basis for this requirement is contained in the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 amended.
This is not the first time that our attention has been directed to red rear indicators on post-1965 American vehicles with a clear MOT test history. As we dont know what condition this vehicle was presented in previously, theres no telling whether a tester has missed anything but two wrongs dont make a right the presenter has been lucky in previous years but will have to accept that these will fail the MOT test in future.
American vehicles with red rear indicators, while not a common sight on British roads, are widespread enough that any tester not familiar with the requirements for direction indicators should be advised there is no exemption for any vehicle to have red rear indicators if it was first used on or after 1 September 1965.
|Q|| ||I have an American car that has been over here for the best part of 20 years and has always had red indicators. My MoT station that passed it last year now says they need to be amber. Is this true Regards, Peter|
Name: Peter Grist Town: Southampton
Section 1.4 of manual states that if a pre 1965 has red rear indicators which means they were part of the construction then the car will pass if the red indicators were original on your car it should pass Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may
have direction indicators incorporated with stop
lamps, or combined with front or rear position
lamps, in which case front indicators may be white
and rear indicators red.
Not fitted with indicators
|Q|| ||I have a French left hand drive 1963 Renault estafette which is not fitted with indicators will I pass an mot or will I have to retro fit a system |
Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may have direction indicators incorporated with stop lamps, or combined with front or rear position lamps, in which case front indicators may be white and rear indicators red. But it must have indicators
|Q|| ||I have a 1974 US import which incorporates front position lights and indicators within the same amber housing, with separate bulbs. This is separate from the headlamp housing. So when the front position lights are on, the indicators flash an additional bulb within the same housing. Is this an MOT pass given the amber position lights|
As long the indicators all show an amber light and do not effect or are affected by any other lights. The precise position of direction indicators is not part of the inspection however they must be symmetrical.
|Q|| ||Is it ok to remove the standard indicators on the front of my motorbike now that I have indicators on my mirrors or do I have to keep both With my VTR being orange its not that easy to see the indicators which is why I got the mirrors, their much clearer for other to see.|
There is no MOT advice on where the indicators are other than they must be visible and not in a position where the rider would obscure them. They must adhere to the indicator conditions of brightness and flash rate. ie
must show a light of the appropriate colour
must flash between 60 to 120 times per minute
cannot affect the operation of another lamp
|Q|| || I have a Honda CB 100n 1982 and have taken the indicators off as well as taking out the little switch lever out of the switchgear and tapering over the existing hole so it has nice switch, will it pass its MOT,|
Name: Alex Town: Brighton
The manual states If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which
cannot exceed 30mph 50kph, or
was first used before 1 August 1986, or
off road machines which are designed
to carry only the rider seeing your bike is a 1982 then you are not required to have indicators
|Q|| ||my motorbikes mot has ran out and is due for renewal I have owned the bike nearly a year and its my first time getting an mot for this bike as the bike has been customised I no longer have wing mirrors or indicators will this still pass an mot bearing in mind there is no longer any where to fit indicators as the panels are custom cut. thanks|
Mirrors are not tested but If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:
. cannot exceed 30mph to 50kph, or
. was first used before 1 August 1986, or
. off road machines which are designed
to carry only the rider.
originally fitted must be present except
|Q|| ||Will a motorcycle with only indicators in the back of the mirrors, facing front, pass mot|
Name: Andy Watkins Town: southampton
You have to have rear indicators as well as front indicators to pass the MOT Test
|Q|| ||My scooter has only got rear indicators which both work. Will it fail its MOT because it doesnt have any indicators fitted on the front|
Name: Karl Town: Loughborough
If the scooter was only manufactured with the rear indicators it will pass
|Q|| ||Hi, does a Q plate motorbike need indicators to pass an MOT It has never had them but I dont wont a daytime MOT.|
Name: Alan Town: Blackpool
Indicators must be fitted to a motorcycle and emit only orange light
They must flash on and off, not just dim and brighten
They must flash between 60 and 120 times per minute
They must be visible when riding or have a functioning idiot light
They must be securely fitted and so must the switch
They must not be adversely affected by the operation of another lamp or the horn
Bikes which cannot exceed 30mph or off-road bikes designed to carry just the rider do not need indicators
|Q|| ||Must a motorcycle have indicators to pass an MOT, if the bike was originally manufactured in 2006 and the indicators have been removed|
Name: Dominic Tee Town: Southampton
If the vehicle was manufactured with indicators it must have them for the MOT. They can not be removed or it will fail
Sequential rear red indicators
|Q|| ||I am looking at importing a 1964 american classic car which has sequential rear red indicators. Would this pass an mot Or would additional amber lamps have to be fitted to destroy the originality of the car |
Name: Andy Town: Weston super Mare
All cars manufactured before 1965 are officially accepted and will pass the MOT Test with sequential red indicators
|Q|| ||are indicators needed|
Name: gary stone Town: royton
Yes. The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 states all cars should have direction indicators.
WILL A PURPLE BRAKE LIGHT FAIL AN MOT?
|Q|| ||I have recently bought a tail light for my motorcycle with integrated indicators, the indicators work great with orange LEDs, the running light is also fine with red LEDs. My only concern is the brake light, which when switched on emits a purple glow through the use of blue LEDs alongside the red running light. The company that provides this product says its fine and there should not be any problems. Will I pass an MOT with bright purple brakes Cheers |
Name: Pro9 Town: Bury st edmunds
The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 states the brake light should be red.
|Q|| ||are blue lense covers on indicators legal on a vespa scooter|
indicators must show an orange light
|Q|| ||ive got a 2015 dodge , does it need a fog light fitting, and the indicators bulbs changing to orange, also the rate of flashing indicators slowing down|
one rear fog lamp is required to be fitted to the centre or offside of vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1980. The light must show a steady red light
|Q|| ||My car indicators only work when my headlights are on. Will it pass the mot|
Name: Simon Town: Leicester
NO. The indicators must function at all times
|Q|| ||I have 1965 US pick up. The side lights act as indicators at the front. When I turn on the side lights they are obviously orange. |
Do I need to install separate white side lights
I understand that the rear red indicators/ brakes are fine.
|Q|| ||Hi, I have an American imported motorcycle. The front indicators glow Amber as a running light all the time, and function normally as a flashing Amber indicator when operated for turning. Would this pass a UK MOT test|
Name: Mark Thorne Town: Richmond
Providing the indicators are clear enough to be recognized or identified as different it will pass
|Q|| ||My wing mirror was damage and the indicator on it doesnt work anymore but glass is there and can be fully used for its purpose a general mirror and as all other indicators on that side work and the other side. Is it legal to drive / pass MOT|
Wing Mirror indicators are the replacement for car repeaters the flashing light that is on older cars as such you would fail the MOT Test
|Q|| ||Hi |
I have dented my side wing and now my indicator bulb on ford focus 2003 has damaged.
does the indicators on the front wing panel form part of the MOT. both front and back indicators work
Name: Adam Town: Birmingham
The side repeaters on the wings are part of the test
|Q|| ||is it MOT legal to replace the original stalk front indicators on a motorcycle for those integrated into the rear view mirrors|
Name: Steve Perry Town: Telford
Providing the indicators can be seen from the front and the rear will pass
|Q|| ||Hi,my car is fitted with indicators in the wing mirrors but the indicators have been stolen|
Will this pass MOT Thanks
If your car was manufactured with indicator mirrors they must be present and working or you will fail
|Q|| ||Hi, Im in the process of making a pit bike road legal offroad bike and Im just wondering if I need to fit indicators for when I get it registered. Ive read that its fine as long as its an offroad bike, but then it would only pass a daylight MOT and Id have to remove or tape over the front/rear lights or something and that I could ride the bike on the road just as long as its in daylight and no at night, is this true |
your bike has to have all lights or no lights, and it doesnt need a horn, mirrors or indicators either for a daylight mot. but it does need a full size number plate
|Q|| ||Does a motorcycle need sidelights. My side lights are now perfectly working indicators with amber bulbs, will my bike pass MOT..|
Name: Ben Town: Southampton
Sidelights are not part of the test but if fitted will be tested if they have been converted into working indicators you should pass
|Q|| ||Drivers wing mirror on Volvo V50 damaged. Electronic adjustment from inside the car and heating on mirror work. Indicator buld fell into plastic housing and so doesnt work. Front and rear indicators work. Will it fail MOT|
Name: Clive Town: Harpenden
Yes it will fail the lights on wing mirrors are substitutes for the side indicators or repeaters as they are sometimes called
|Q|| ||I have a Mercedes C class that had its passenger side mirror stolen awhile back. The interior mirror and the drivers side mirror are there but as the wing mirrors have indicator lights on them I am being told it will not pass unless I purchase a new mirror. Is this right Most cars do not have indicators on their mirrors and I know you only need 2 mirrors for it to be legal. The front and rear indicators both work fine, so Im finding it hard to believe that I need a new mirror.|
The vehicle will need a wing mirror to pass the MOT. All mirrors have to be present and fully functional on the new MOT laws set in 2013
Self Cancelling Indicators
I have just bought a new car and when i bought it i was provided with a brand new MOT certificate from the same garage as i bought the car from. Since then I have noticed that my indicators dont self cancel, should the car have failed the MOT for this
Name: Mark Town: Cheltenham
No this should not be anything to worry about. the self cancelling indicators are not part of the test.
|Q|| ||I am installing daytime runners on my car. Do they have to turn off completely when the headlights are turned on or can they be dimmed Most of the controllers I can find just dim them.|
Dedicated daytime running lights
Daytime running lights DRL are purpose-made, low-wattage lights that can be fitted to a vehicle and used during the day to improve the visibility of a vehicle to other drivers as well as pedestrians, cyclists and other road users. They do not need to be operated manually as they automatically activate when the engine is started and turn off when the engine stops or when headlights are switched on at night.
DRL are necessarily bright to ensure they are visible in the daytime but not so bright that they will dazzle others. However they are too bright for night time use and are not intended to illuminate the road in the dark. If used at night they will cause dazzle and discomfort to others and so drivers should always switch to their position lamps or headlamps at night.
Research has shown that DRLs are likely to reduce multiple vehicle daytime accidents and fatalities by up to 6 once all vehicles are equipped. DRL are likely to result in a small increase in fuel consumption and CO emissions of around 0.5 but this is expected to be lower when LEDs are used in place of filament light sources.
Legislation and requirements:
Vehicle manufacturers must fit DRL to new types of passenger car and light goods vehicle car derived vans type approved to European vehicle requirements from February 20111 . In practice this means that any new model launched after this date, and many launched before, will be fitted with DRL. However, existing models on sale before this date without DRL fitted can continue to be sold and used indefinitely.
Similar requirements apply to large vehicles such as HGVs and buses from 7 August 2012. Motorcycles do not currently require DRL to be fitted, but most manufacturers voluntarily opt for an AHO Automatic Headlight On system to be installed as an alternative. Changes to European legislation will, in future permit manufacturers to fit DRL on their motorcycles.
DRL activate automatically when the engine is started and remain on unless the headlamps are switched on. They may however remain off in some low speed and stationary situations. In general all other lights should remain off when the DRL are on but for a limited period some vehicles may be available which automatically activate the rear position lamps at the same time as the DRL.
DRL may be combined with other lamps. For example some manufacturers use the same lamp for both the DRL and position lamp. In these cases the DRL automatically dims to function as a lower intensity position lamp when the headlamps are turned on. DRL placed close to direction indicators may also automatically dim when the direction indicator is active. This is to ensure that the direction indicator is not masked by the light from the DRL.
There is no requirement to retro-fit DRL on vehicles not fitted with them as standard. If you decide to retro-fit DRL you should ensure they have been approved to the correct European legislation. This can be confirmed by checking that the approval mark embossed on the lamp contains the letters "RL", see figure 1.
Ideally retro-fitted DRL should be installed such that they activate automatically when the engine starts and switch off when headlamps are turned on. If this is not the case then you must ensure that you manually turn DRL off at night as they will cause dazzle and discomfort to others if used in low ambient lighting conditions.
DRL approval mark.
Use of other lamps during the daytime
Drivers of vehicles that are not fitted with DRL are not required to turn on their headlamps or position lamps during the day unless visibility is very poor. However some European member states do require some form of lighting during the day so if you travel abroad and do not have DRL fitted you may be obliged to drive with your headlamps on.
|Q|| ||Had a damaged rear light cluster so replaced it with new. Car since failed MOT because the new lens makes indicator/ hazard to be more reddish rather than Amber is this correct|
Indicators must be amber and not red. If this is the case then the vehicle would fail. Only brake lights can be red.
|Q|| ||I have kia sportage 2015. MOT failed as DRLs fail to dim when switched to position lights but do when switched to dipped beam headlights. Kia say that is not a fail, but DVSA say it is a fail MOT station says it is a fail. HELP PLease|
DRLs themselves are not covered by the manual and are therefore not testable items. Unless the brightness of the DRLs obscures the function of another lamp i.e. indicators. If this is the case then that is why the vehicle failed
|Q|| ||Hi, my hazard lights are working but the switch isnt lighting up when they are in use. Would this be an MOT failure|
As long as the indicators show up. You must have some sort of tell-tale light showing that the lights are on
|Q|| ||My car has 3 different types of lights within the headlight:|
Dipped beam/main beam
Will my car fail an MOT if my sidelights have a yellow tint in terms of simply just older halogen bulb perfectly legal while my dipped beams are Philips white vision
Slight discolouration of a white light is not reason to fail an MOT as long as they are not amber like the indicators.
|Q|| ||Can I modify a bike from standard specification to meet daylight mot or remove indicators headlight rear light just leaving brake lights, horn |
Yes but you must remove them. You can get a daytime MOT for bikes where you can only use the bike during daylight hours. A daylight MOT would require a motorbike to have a horn and a rear registration plate
|Q|| ||recently bought a kia ceed from my local dealer with only 55000 on the clock.as the car came with a full mot on purchase and the dealer sold and has done all mots previous i did not think about the advisory notices at the time. I have just realised the advisory notice wasnt given should i have been given it as this would have had a big influence on me buying the car, many thanks|
Any advisory notices should be displayed on the MOT certificate. If the dealer sold you the car with 12 mot and the car had 12 months MOT then he could say that he fulfilled his side of the deal. You have a right to reject something faulty and you are entitled to a full refund within 30 days of purchase in most cases. But advisory notices are not always faults. They are just indicators that work may be required in the near future.
Indicators for Motorbikes
|Q|| ||hi guys Ive got a 1996 Harley which has no front or back indicator lights it passed its MOT last year as a chrome show bike but wont let it go through this year does it 100 need indicator lights to pass MOT or are hand signals allowed cheers Ed|
If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which
cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or
was first used before 1 August 1986, or
off road motor bicycles that are designed to carry only the rider
off road motor bicycles with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car.
Wing mirror indicator is broken
|Q|| ||wing mirror indicator is broken, however the indicators on the front and rear of car work fine, will this fail an mot|
Yes - This will fail. Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side. If these are fitted into the wing mirrors then unless there are others the car will fail.
|Q|| ||Do air bags have to be checked to pass MOT|
The airbag system has fault indicators on the dashboard that must not be showing for the MOT Test. There is no direct test as this could be dangerous and the only real way to test them would be to set them off
|Q|| ||My Honda civic has intergrated indicators in the wing mirrors. the near side indicator has stopped working. will this result in a failed M.O.T, |
Name: A.Whittaker Town: London
Yes. Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side. If this is the only side repeater then it must work
|Q|| ||on my pan european motorbike the cowl that covers the mirror and holds the indicator broke. i replaced the indicator bulb and cable tied the bulb socket to the mirror. the bulb works fine but does not have anything covering it will it pass|
Name: jason leo Town: bromley
The indicator must show as amber and not white. See 1.5 Direction Indicators >> Reason for rejection >> 1.b
|Q|| ||Good morning. My motorbike has a blue full beam warning light, although the light doesnt work. Dipped beam and full beam work fine, just that when the full beam is activated, the blue warning light for full beam does not come on. Would this be a test fail|
Name: Anthony Town: Manchester
There is no mention in the manual of any dash lights in the Motorbike MOT inspection manual except for indicators if fitted.
|Q|| ||My right indicator cover/protector on my scooter is broken but the light still works. Will this still pass its MOT|
Name: Caroline Town: Huntingdon
Indicators must be in good condition considering security, colour, light output and durability. An open bulb with no cover is definitely a failure.
|Q|| ||I have a mitsubishi grandis 2005 it has electric wing mirrors with indicator lamps the back has been smashed off the nearside mirror and the indicator lamp is missing will this be an mot fail |
Name: Kate Town: Buckingham
The mirror indicators have replaced the lamps that used to be on the side of the vehicle if yours is broken and there are no side repeaters your car will fail
|Q|| ||Are the indicators checked with engine running|
Name: Doug Town: Surbiton
the manual states that it may be necessary to run the engine when checking the flashing rate.
|Q|| ||we have 2 large American bases where I live, the cars they bring with them have red rear indicators. do they have a waiver|
Name: James Town: Lakenheath
Pre 1965 are exempt so it is likely that these are of this age
|Q|| ||The offside mirror indicator is working, but is only showing dimly and is being flagged as a fault, all the other indicators are fine. Will this dimming be an MOT fail |
The tester has the final say as to the brightness of the indicator he will decide if it is fit for purpose
|Q|| ||The rear hazard warning lights on my car only flash if the engine is running. If the engine is not running only the front and side lights flash the rear lights remain off. The indicators work properly whether or not the engine is running. Will it pass the MOT like this|
Name: Sam Town: St Albans
No you will fail the hazard lights have to work all round whether the engine is running or not
|Q|| ||My car is going in for a service my wing mirror indicator is not working can I black them of to pass am lookin for new car after it passes hopefully |
Name: Dean Town: Aberdeen
Wing mirror indicators have replaced the side repeaters that were on older cars and are part of the test and both must be working to pass the MOT Test
|Q|| ||I am considering adding sidelights to my mirrors to help with visiibilty Is their a law that say I cannot |
With most modern cars have indicators in their wing mirrors you could have a problem