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American Vehicles

Q About my american ford mercury cougar XR7. The rear indicator lights are combined with the stop lights and as such flash red. When I press the brake and indicate at the same time the lights flash intermediate. That was their build, but is that a PASS or FAIL in the UK

Name: Black Bob   Town: Edinburgh


A 
Your vehicle will Fail an entry from a previous question answered by the DVSA No They do not American imports often have dual function lamps, where the indicators may be incorporated with the position lamps or stop lamps. This aspect of the test is covered in Inspection Manual IM, under Section 1.4 Direction Indicators and Hazard Warning Lamps and 1.2 Stop Lamps. brbrSection 1.4 states that Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may have direction indicators incorporated with stop lamps, or combined with front or rear position lamps, in which case front indicators may be white and rear indicators red. Due to the age of the vehicle in question, it will fail the test unless the rear indicators are converted to amber. The legislative basis for this requirement is contained in the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 amended.This is not the first time that our attention has been directed to red rear indicators on post1965 American vehicles with a clear MOT test history. As we dont know what condition this vehicle was presented in previously, theres no telling whether a tester has missed anything but two wrongs dont make a right the presenter has been lucky in previous years but will have to accept that these will fail the MOT test in future.American vehicles with red rear indicators, while not a common sight on British roads, are widespread enough that any tester not familiar with the requirements for direction indicators should be advised there is no exemption for any vehicle to have red rear indicators if it was first used on or after 1 September 1965.


American vehicles

Q Do test stations have the discretion to pass historic American vehicles

Name: Pete   Town: Southport


A 
No - They do not American imports often have dual function lamps, where the indicators may be incorporated with the position lamps or stop lamps. This aspect of the test is covered in Inspection Manual IM, under Section 1.4 Direction Indicators and Hazard Warning Lamps and 1.2 Stop Lamps.

Section 1.4 states that Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may have direction indicators incorporated with stop lamps, or combined with front or rear position lamps, in which case front indicators may be white and rear indicators red.

Due to the age of the vehicle in question, it will fail the test unless the rear indicators are converted to amber. The legislative basis for this requirement is contained in the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 amended.

This is not the first time that our attention has been directed to red rear indicators on post-1965 American vehicles with a clear MOT test history. As we dont know what condition this vehicle was presented in previously, theres no telling whether a tester has missed anything but two wrongs dont make a right the presenter has been lucky in previous years but will have to accept that these will fail the MOT test in future.

American vehicles with red rear indicators, while not a common sight on British roads, are widespread enough that any tester not familiar with the requirements for direction indicators should be advised there is no exemption for any vehicle to have red rear indicators if it was first used on or after 1 September 1965.




Q I have an American car that has been over here for the best part of 20 years and has always had red indicators. My MoT station that passed it last year now says they need to be amber. Is this true Regards, Peter

Name: Peter Grist   Town: Southampton


A 
Section 1.4 of manual states that if a pre 1965 has red rear indicators which means they were part of the construction then the car will pass if the red indicators were original on your car it should pass Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may

have direction indicators incorporated with stop

lamps, or combined with front or rear position

lamps, in which case front indicators may be white

and rear indicators red.


Not fitted with indicators

Q I have a French left hand drive 1963 Renault estafette which is not fitted with indicators will I pass an mot or will I have to retro fit a system

Name: mick connor


A 
Vehicles first used before 1 September 1965 may have direction indicators incorporated with stop lamps, or combined with front or rear position lamps, in which case front indicators may be white and rear indicators red. But it must have indicators




US import indicators

Q I have a 1974 US import which incorporates front position lights and indicators within the same amber housing, with separate bulbs. This is separate from the headlamp housing. So when the front position lights are on, the indicators flash an additional bulb within the same housing. Is this an MOT pass given the amber position lights

Name: Dan


A 
As long the indicators all show an amber light and do not effect or are affected by any other lights. The precise position of direction indicators is not part of the inspection however they must be symmetrical.


Moving Bike indicators

Q Is it ok to remove the standard indicators on the front of my motorbike now that I have indicators on my mirrors or do I have to keep both With my VTR being orange its not that easy to see the indicators which is why I got the mirrors, their much clearer for other to see.

Name: Matt   Town: Lisburn


A 
There is no MOT advice on where the indicators are other than they must be visible and not in a position where the rider would obscure them. They must adhere to the indicator conditions of brightness and flash rate. ie

must show a light of the appropriate colour

must flash between 60 to 120 times per minute

cannot affect the operation of another lamp




Q  I have a Honda CB 100n 1982 and have taken the indicators off as well as taking out the little switch lever out of the switchgear and tapering over the existing hole so it has nice switch, will it pass its MOT,

Name: Alex   Town: Brighton


A 
The manual states If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which

cannot exceed 30mph 50kph, or

was first used before 1 August 1986, or

off road machines which are designed

to carry only the rider seeing your bike is a 1982 then you are not required to have indicators





Q my motorbikes mot has ran out and is due for renewal I have owned the bike nearly a year and its my first time getting an mot for this bike as the bike has been customised I no longer have wing mirrors or indicators will this still pass an mot bearing in mind there is no longer any where to fit indicators as the panels are custom cut. thanks

Name: jack   Town: newark


A 
Mirrors are not tested but If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which:

. cannot exceed 30mph to 50kph, or

. was first used before 1 August 1986, or

. off road machines which are designed

to carry only the rider.

originally fitted must be present except


Front Mirror Indicators

Q Will a motorcycle with only indicators in the back of the mirrors, facing front, pass mot

Name: Andy Watkins   Town: southampton


A 
You have to have rear indicators as well as front indicators to pass the MOT Test


Indicators

Q My scooter has only got rear indicators which both work. Will it fail its MOT because it doesnt have any indicators fitted on the front

Name: Karl   Town: Loughborough


A 
If the scooter was only manufactured with the rear indicators it will pass


Motorcycle indicators

Q Hi, does a Q plate motorbike need indicators to pass an MOT It has never had them but I dont wont a daytime MOT.

Name: Alan   Town: Blackpool


A 
Indicators must be fitted to a motorcycle and emit only orange light

They must flash on and off, not just dim and brighten

They must flash between 60 and 120 times per minute

They must be visible when riding or have a functioning idiot light

They must be securely fitted and so must the switch

They must not be adversely affected by the operation of another lamp or the horn

Bikes which cannot exceed 30mph or off-road bikes designed to carry just the rider do not need indicators



Removed Motorbike Lights

Q Must a motorcycle have indicators to pass an MOT, if the bike was originally manufactured in 2006 and the indicators have been removed

Name: Dominic Tee   Town: Southampton


A 
If the vehicle was manufactured with indicators it must have them for the MOT. They can not be removed or it will fail


Sequential rear red indicators

Q I am looking at importing a 1964 american classic car which has sequential rear red indicators. Would this pass an mot Or would additional amber lamps have to be fitted to destroy the originality of the car



Name: Andy   Town: Weston super Mare


A 
All cars manufactured before 1965 are officially accepted and will pass the MOT Test with sequential red indicators


Rear Fog Lamp

Q ive got a 2015 dodge , does it need a fog light fitting, and the indicators bulbs changing to orange, also the rate of flashing indicators slowing down

Name: john pinchen


A 
one rear fog lamp is required to be fitted to the centre or offside of vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1980. The light must show a steady red light


Indicators

Q My car indicators only work when my headlights are on. Will it pass the mot

Name: Simon   Town: Leicester


A 
NO. The indicators must function at all times


US 1965 Pickup

Q I have 1965 US pick up. The side lights act as indicators at the front. When I turn on the side lights they are obviously orange.

Do I need to install separate white side lights

I understand that the rear red indicators/ brakes are fine.


Name: H   Town: Chelmsford


A 
I am afraid it will not pass information from the DVSA can be found on link below

Click here for more information



Motocycle indicators

Q Hi, I have an American imported motorcycle. The front indicators glow Amber as a running light all the time, and function normally as a flashing Amber indicator when operated for turning. Would this pass a UK MOT test

Name: Mark Thorne   Town: Richmond


A 
Providing the indicators are clear enough to be recognized or identified as different it will pass


Wing mirror indicator

Q My wing mirror was damage and the indicator on it doesnt work anymore but glass is there and can be fully used for its purpose a general mirror and as all other indicators on that side work and the other side. Is it legal to drive / pass MOT

Name: Chris   Town: Perth


A 
Wing Mirror indicators are the replacement for car repeaters the flashing light that is on older cars as such you would fail the MOT Test


Side Repeaters

Q Hi

I have dented my side wing and now my indicator bulb on ford focus 2003 has damaged.

does the indicators on the front wing panel form part of the MOT. both front and back indicators work


Name: Adam    Town: Birmingham


A 
The side repeaters on the wings are part of the test


Bike Indicators

Q is it MOT legal to replace the original stalk front indicators on a motorcycle for those integrated into the rear view mirrors

Name: Steve Perry   Town: Telford


A 
Providing the indicators can be seen from the front and the rear will pass


Mirror Indicators

Q Hi,my car is fitted with indicators in the wing mirrors but the indicators have been stolen

Will this pass MOT Thanks


Name: Rich   Town: Barnet


A 
If your car was manufactured with indicator mirrors they must be present and working or you will fail




Q Hi, Im in the process of making a pit bike road legal offroad bike and Im just wondering if I need to fit indicators for when I get it registered. Ive read that its fine as long as its an offroad bike, but then it would only pass a daylight MOT and Id have to remove or tape over the front/rear lights or something and that I could ride the bike on the road just as long as its in daylight and no at night, is this true

Name: Ben   Town: Leeds


A 
your bike has to have all lights or no lights, and it doesnt need a horn, mirrors or indicators either for a daylight mot. but it does need a full size number plate



motorcycle sidelights

Q Does a motorcycle need sidelights. My side lights are now perfectly working indicators with amber bulbs, will my bike pass MOT..

Thanks


Name: Ben   Town: Southampton


A 
Sidelights are not part of the test but if fitted will be tested if they have been converted into working indicators you should pass




Q Drivers wing mirror on Volvo V50 damaged. Electronic adjustment from inside the car and heating on mirror work. Indicator buld fell into plastic housing and so doesnt work. Front and rear indicators work. Will it fail MOT

Name: Clive   Town: Harpenden


A 
Yes it will fail the lights on wing mirrors are substitutes for the side indicators or repeaters as they are sometimes called


Mirror and Indicators

Q I have a Mercedes C class that had its passenger side mirror stolen awhile back. The interior mirror and the drivers side mirror are there but as the wing mirrors have indicator lights on them I am being told it will not pass unless I purchase a new mirror. Is this right Most cars do not have indicators on their mirrors and I know you only need 2 mirrors for it to be legal. The front and rear indicators both work fine, so Im finding it hard to believe that I need a new mirror.

Name: Ian   Town: London


A 
The vehicle will need a wing mirror to pass the MOT. All mirrors have to be present and fully functional on the new MOT laws set in 2013


Self Cancelling Indicators

Q Hi,

I have just bought a new car and when i bought it i was provided with a brand new MOT certificate from the same garage as i bought the car from. Since then I have noticed that my indicators dont self cancel, should the car have failed the MOT for this

Regards,

Mark.


Name: Mark   Town: Cheltenham


A 
No this should not be anything to worry about. the self cancelling indicators are not part of the test.


Indicators for Motorbikes

Q hi guys Ive got a 1996 Harley which has no front or back indicator lights it passed its MOT last year as a chrome show bike but wont let it go through this year does it 100 need indicator lights to pass MOT or are hand signals allowed cheers Ed

Name: Ed   Town: Par


A 
If direction indicators are fitted they must meet the requirements of this inspection, but need not be fitted to a machine which

cannot exceed 30mph / 50kph, or

was first used before 1 August 1986, or

off road motor bicycles that are designed to carry only the rider

off road motor bicycles with side car designed to carry the rider and one passenger in the side car.


Wing mirror indicator is broken

Q wing mirror indicator is broken, however the indicators on the front and rear of car work fine, will this fail an mot

Name: john   Town: surrey


A 
Yes - This will fail. Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side. If these are fitted into the wing mirrors then unless there are others the car will fail.


Aig Bags

Q Do air bags have to be checked to pass MOT

Name: Sue   Town: Sidcup


A 
The airbag system has fault indicators on the dashboard that must not be showing for the MOT Test. There is no direct test as this could be dangerous and the only real way to test them would be to set them off


intergrated indicators

Q My Honda civic has intergrated indicators in the wing mirrors. the near side indicator has stopped working. will this result in a failed M.O.T,

Name: A.Whittaker   Town: London


A 
Yes. Vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must be fitted with one side repeater indicator on each side. If this is the only side repeater then it must work


Broken indicator cover

Q on my pan european motorbike the cowl that covers the mirror and holds the indicator broke. i replaced the indicator bulb and cable tied the bulb socket to the mirror. the bulb works fine but does not have anything covering it will it pass

Name: jason leo   Town: bromley


A 
The indicator must show as amber and not white. See 1.5 Direction Indicators >> Reason for rejection >> 1.b


Full beam warning light

Q Good morning. My motorbike has a blue full beam warning light, although the light doesnt work. Dipped beam and full beam work fine, just that when the full beam is activated, the blue warning light for full beam does not come on. Would this be a test fail

Name: Anthony   Town: Manchester


A 
There is no mention in the manual of any dash lights in the Motorbike MOT inspection manual except for indicators if fitted.


Broken indicator

Q My right indicator cover/protector on my scooter is broken but the light still works. Will this still pass its MOT

Name: Caroline   Town: Huntingdon


A 
Indicators must be in good condition considering security, colour, light output and durability. An open bulb with no cover is definitely a failure.


Mirror indicators

Q I have a mitsubishi grandis 2005 it has electric wing mirrors with indicator lamps the back has been smashed off the nearside mirror and the indicator lamp is missing will this be an mot fail

Name: Kate   Town: Buckingham


A 
The mirror indicators have replaced the lamps that used to be on the side of the vehicle if yours is broken and there are no side repeaters your car will fail


Indicator Lights

Q Are the indicators checked with engine running

Name: Doug   Town: Surbiton


A 
the manual states that it may be necessary to run the engine when checking the flashing rate.



American Cars

Q we have 2 large American bases where I live, the cars they bring with them have red rear indicators. do they have a waiver

Name: James   Town: Lakenheath


A 
Pre 1965 are exempt so it is likely that these are of this age


Mirror Indicator

Q The offside mirror indicator is working, but is only showing dimly and is being flagged as a fault, all the other indicators are fine. Will this dimming be an MOT fail

Name: Dave   Town: York


A 
The tester has the final say as to the brightness of the indicator he will decide if it is fit for purpose


Faulty Hazard lights

Q The rear hazard warning lights on my car only flash if the engine is running. If the engine is not running only the front and side lights flash the rear lights remain off. The indicators work properly whether or not the engine is running. Will it pass the MOT like this

Name: Sam   Town: St Albans


A 
No you will fail the hazard lights have to work all round whether the engine is running or not


WING MIRROR INDICATORS

Q My car is going in for a service my wing mirror indicator is not working can I black them of to pass am lookin for new car after it passes hopefully

Name: Dean   Town: Aberdeen


A 
Wing mirror indicators have replaced the side repeaters that were on older cars and are part of the test and both must be working to pass the MOT Test




Q I am considering adding sidelights to my mirrors to help with visiibilty Is their a law that say I cannot

Name: Mike   Town: London


A 
With most modern cars have indicators in their wing mirrors you could have a problem


american car indicators

Q I have an which has red indicators to the rear but has mirrors which show flashing amber to the rear effecively showing amber to traffic from behind will this pass mot

Name: stuart   Town: port talbot


A 
The answer is it will not pass see https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/your-questions-answered-do-test-stations-have-the-discretion-to-pass-historic-american-vehicles/


amber sequential rear indicators (LED)

Q What is the MOT criteria for amber sequential rear indicators LED retrofitted to a 2007 Nissan 350z, are they an MOT pass or fail

Name: Martin   Town: Rotherham


A 
No definite statement from testers have contacted DVSA for clarification watch this space


Bike indicators

Q my motorbike does not have indicators its a 1979 model does it need them

Name: tony   Town: edinburgh


A 
If the bike was not fitted with them when new then they are not tested


rear light

Q My partner has a bandit 1200 it has just failed its MOT due to the rear headlight being a LED style with the indicators included on the main unit. If the main light is switched on and the indicator is activated it does dull the red beam but half still stays illuminated once indicator is switched off the red beam is restored straight away. Is this correct in it failing as the light also specifies it is road legal.

Kind regards

Donna


Name: Donna    Town: Biggleswade


A 
Reason for rejection.

A lamp which is adversely affected by the operation of another lamp is cause for rejection hence the failure the fact that switching on the main beam causes the red lamp to dull is the problem


Day time Mot

Q Hi I have a ktm 200 exc 1999

just like to know if it will pass or not

it has a front light with high and low beam

and back light and break light

it has no indicators or switch

and has no mirrors or brackets to fit them

and has no battery fitted

and has no ignition but has a cut out switch

and if it passes a mot will I be allowed to ride at night or will I have a day time mot



Name: russell richards   Town: Wolverhampton


A 
Providing the bike has not been altered since it was manufactured it should pass


Indicators

Q is a non flashing indicator mot failure

Name: James   Town: Crewe


A 
Indicators have to flash 60 to 120 times a minute or they will fail older cars that were fitted with trafficators do not need to flash




Q I have a mercedes c class. The wing mirrors can be folded in using the manual electric button, however when folding them outwards the button does not usually work and I have to drive without wing mirrors until the button decides to become operational. If I take my car for an mot and advise the garage of the problem, will it fail

Name: peter dyer   Town: preston


A 
There are three acceptable rear view mirror/device positions: a. an exterior mirror or device that provides a view along the offside of the vehicle b. an exterior mirror or device that provides a view along the nearside of the vehicle c. an interior mirror or a device which provides a view to the rear of the vehicle so your main rear view mirror is ok but if there are indicators on the mirrors and they do not work when folded then you will fail the answer is to disable the fold action




Q Am having to buy new wing mirror for Ford Fiesta site says xxx for std or 5 extra for a new E Approved wing mirror What does E Approved mean

NB They dont have integral indicators


Name: Jon   Town: Welwyn


A 
just means that it has passed EU standards quality test this is important in a lot of components but if the view from the mirror is ok you should pass




Q I want to my relocate my side front wing mounted indicators to the wing mirrors are there any visibility requirements I would have to abide by

Name: adam   Town: manchester


A 
Providing the new wing mirrors are EU approved you will pass


Indicators

Q Hi,

I have a 1983 motorbike that doesnt have indicators on it.

Would this fail an MOT


Name: fangy   Town: ayrshire


A 
No not fitted not part of the test






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